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- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 12:31:10 PST
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- Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1324
- To: Info-Hams
-
-
- Info-Hams Digest Mon, 8 Nov 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1324
-
- Today's Topics:
- Anyone worked VE3ONT via EME ?
- BAUD VS BAUDS
- Care and Feeding LARGE Gel-Cells?
- characteristic impedance (2 msgs)
- Fun with Radio Shack
- HDN Releases
- Jameco Parts Catalog
- Kenwood address - info needed
- Stolen ICOM 2-meter
- The first repeater on the air (2 msgs)
- VE3ONT summary
- VK2SG RTTY DX Notes, 5 November
- WW DX Fone 93 QSL info: Summary
-
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- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: 8 Nov 1993 16:29:18 GMT
- From: pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!athena.uto.dec.com!beyer@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: Anyone worked VE3ONT via EME ?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Anybody out there who worked VE3ONT off the moon with their 150Ft dish this
- weekend?
-
- I did on 23, with 100W / 0.5 dB at the feed of a 4.5Ft dish.....
-
-
- /Peter -PA3AEF-
- --
-
- Peter Beyer
- Windows, Graphics & Multimedia
- Digital Equipment b.v.
- beyer@athena.uto.dec.com
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 8 Nov 93 16:18:47 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
- Subject: BAUD VS BAUDS
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Ken Smith (ken.smith@network.ucsd.edu) writes:
-
- >Doesn't BAUD fall into the category of words like DATA? It remains the
- >same.
-
- >Ken
-
-
- Ummm ... not really. DATA is a plural already, the singular being
- DATUM. According to my Concise Oxford Dictionary, there is no
- distinction between the singular and plural of BAUD. There's no
- such thing as "bauds" in there either.
- Cheers,
- Simon.
-
- =================================================================
- _ _ Simon Woodworth | Tel: +353-21-357101 x258
- _/ \_/ \_ Motorola Ireland Ltd. | Fax: +353-21-357635
- / \_/ \_/ \ European Cellular |--------------------------
- \_/ \_/ \_/ Infrastructure Division | uunet!motcid!glas!woods
- Blackrock, Cork, Ireland. | woods@glas.rtsg.mot.com
- =================================================================
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 8 Nov 93 17:26:18 GMT
- From: ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsadmin@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Care and Feeding LARGE Gel-Cells?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- I have come into possession of 3 large 12v gell cells, manufactured by Best
- with a part# bata-048. Could someone point me to a good source for
- building/buying a charger for these. Also any specs that are available would be
- appreciated.
-
- --
- Jeff Hite KF7SZ
- Computing Center
- U of Oregon
- jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 8 Nov 1993 16:41:19 GMT
- From: galaxy.ucr.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!master.cs.rose-hulman.edu!news@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: characteristic impedance
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- [> The characteristic impedance of a line is given by the formula
- [>
- [> Zo = 138Log (d2/d1)
- [>
- [> where d2/d1 is the ratio of the respective diameters of the inner and
- [>outer
- ===================================================
-
- This formula only works for a particular dielectric.
-
- 73 de Jack,, K9CUN
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 8 Nov 1993 16:40:39 GMT
- From: galaxy.ucr.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!master.cs.rose-hulman.edu!news@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: characteristic impedance
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- [In article <9311081152.AA32868@swmis> P.Lucas@mail.nerc-swindon.ac.UK
- [writes:
- [>
- [> No-one has yet pointed out that you can 'measure' it directly! No need
- [for
- [> anything electrical, electronic or radio.
- [>
- [> The characteristic impedance of a line is given by the formula
- [>
- [> Zo = 138Log (d2/d1)
- [>
- [> where d2/d1 is the ratio of the respective diameters of the inner and
- [>outer
- ===================================================
- This formula only works for a particular dielectric.
-
- 73 de Jack,, K9CUN
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 8 Nov 93 11:11:10
- From: sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!ilium!rcsuna.gmr.com!rcsuna.gmr.com!vbreault@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: Fun with Radio Shack
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1993 00:27:05
- From: concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.oc.com!utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!ocitor!FredGate@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: HDN Releases
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- The following files were processed Sunday 11-07-93:
-
-
- HAMLOG [ HAM: Amateur radio logging programs ]
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- HAMLOG43.ZIP ( 277934 bytes) HamLog v4.3 by HB9CQV
- 20-Oct-1993 english a
- nd german docs
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- * Origin: Ham Distribution Net Coordinator / Node 1 (1:124/7009)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:46:18 GMT
- From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!willis1.cis.uab.edu!right.dom.uab.edu!user@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Jameco Parts Catalog
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- > >I had heard rumors Jameco was coming out with a components catalog.
- > >Got mine yesterday. No chip capacitors, but 20 and 40 watt 2 meter
- > >power amplifier kits, about $2 a watt output, 2 meter transceiver
- > >kit, and some other ham kits including some 20 and 40 meter QRP
- > >kits.
- >
- > These appear to be most of the kits from the Ramsay Electronics line
- > advertised in the magazines.
-
- Are they any good? I have been thinking about building a 2 meter
- power amp with some plans from a Motorola Application Note. With the
- price of a single transistor about a dollar a watt the price on these
- kits is attractive.
-
- Steve Holland, KD4TTC
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 8 Nov 93 18:28:10 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
- Subject: Kenwood address - info needed
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In an article, jonathan bucki (n9mks) writes:
-
-
- >I haven't used my HT for about a year and a half. When I dug it out of the
- >box I found that I didn't have the manual. Could someone either post
- >or send me Kenwood's USA address? Or if there is an electronic version of
- >the TH-26AT manual somewhere, where can I find it?
-
-
- Kenwood's USA operation is at 2201 East Dominguez Street, P.O. Box 22745,
- Long Beach, CA 90801-5745. Their phone is 310-639-9000.
-
- Last time I checked (about 1 year ago) the Amateur Radio Products
- salesperson was Maria Lopez. You may talk her out of a manual, but it is
- more likely she will refer you to their distributor to buy one.
-
- Parts, service manuals, etc. are available from their distributor, Pacific
- Coast Parts in Gardina, CA. Phone orders with Visa/Mastercard:
- 800-262-1312. I have had excellent service from them, more than I can say
- for the Midwest outfit that supports Sansui (but that's another story).
-
- 73
- _____________________________________________________________________
- Wm. A. Kirsanoff Internet: WAKIRSAN@ananov.remnet.ab.com
- Rockwell International Ham: KD6MCI
- (714) 762-2872
- Alternate Internet: william_a._kirsanoff@ccmail.anatcp.rockwell.com
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
- Who are you? * I am number 2. * Who is number 1? * You are number 6.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 8 Nov 93 19:52:59 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
- Subject: Stolen ICOM 2-meter
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- >A 2-meter HT was stolen from my car last weekend in Sunnyvale, California.
-
- craig -- don't forget to scour the pawn shops. that's where my Yaesu FT727R
- and FT109rh turned up (still haven't found the HTX-202...). if someone finds
- 'em they should discretely contact the cops and let them retrieve the goods
- (pawn shop operators hate being caught with stolen property...8) ).
-
- hit up the radio shacks too. one of the guys at one of the stores had had
- someone come in asking what the '109 was worth...but i hadn't worked my way
- over to the store yet...was there that afternoon and the possible perp was
- there in the morning.
-
- i also tried to get the word out to all the various organizations in the area
- -- including things like REACT (one of their guys found the 2 recovered rigs),
- the pro radio shops, surplus dealers, and such. you never know exactly where
- a trail will turn up.
-
- it does depend on how much this stuff is worth to you tho, because it can be a
- lot of work....but in my case it yielded 2 rigs and their battery charger so
- i'd probably do it again.
-
- bill wb9ivr
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 8 Nov 93 15:34:50 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
- Subject: The first repeater on the air
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- A couple of weeks ago I remember a discussion about the first amateur
- repeater ever put on the air. Here's something to add to the discussion...
-
- Last month, the guest speaker at our club, the Wellesley (Mass.) ARS, was
- Steve Rudin W1WSN. Steve gave a very interesting talk on the history of FM
- in amateur radio. He said that there was a FM repeater put on the air in
- Holyoke, Massachusetts in 1939 (yes, that's not a typo!), so perhaps that
- could be the first repeater. I don't remember the band or callsign used,
- unfortunately. Perhaps, as I did, you wonder why and how people used FM in
- 1939. The motivation for FM was when hams tried to use AM while mobile: the
- ignition noise was terrible. The AMers and mobile FMers could still talk to
- each other quite easily, by the way, because FM could be slope-detected on
- an AM receiver.
-
- 73,
- Scott WO1G
- ===============
- Scott Sminkey email: sasminkey@eng.xyplex.com
- Software Sustaining Engineering voice: 508 952-4792
- Xyplex, Inc. fax: 508 952-4887
- 295 Foster St. (Opinions, comments, etc. are mine,
- Littleton, MA 01460 not Xyplex's...)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 16:54:35 GMT
- From: galaxy.ucr.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!jholly@@
- Subject: The first repeater on the air
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Scott Sminkey - Sustaining Eng Group (sas@opus.xyplex.COM) wrote:
- : each other quite easily, by the way, because FM could be slope-detected on
- : an AM receiver.
-
-
- Yes, that would work fine for FM to AM, but how did the AM'ers talk to
- the FM'ers? Seems if the AM xmitr is good there should be no FM.
-
- Jim Hollenback, WA6SDM
- jholly@cup.hp.com
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 8 Nov 93 17:36:20 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
- Subject: VE3ONT summary
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- VE3ONT EME Test : 1993 Summary
-
- During the two weekends of the 1993 A.R.R.L. International EME Competition,
- the Toronto VHF Society used the 46-m (150') dish at the Algonquin Radio
- Observatory. Here is a summary of our results.
-
- Band QSOs Multipliers
-
- 144 235 46
- 432 246 41
- 1296 79 29
-
- TOTAL 560 116 = 6,496,000 points
-
- As a non-amateur antenna, VE3ONT's score should not be compared against
- that of other stations. The above listing represents one day each on 144
- and 1296 MHz and 2 days on 432. The 432 score may be broken down to:
- (first day) 167 * 37
- + (second day) 79 * 4 new ones.
-
- Equipment: 144 & 432 MHz : KW, RHCP helix feeds; 1296 : 100 W, coffee-can
- with L/R switching. Power amps and transverters were mounted at the feed.
- Feeds were built by Bob Morton (VE3BFM) of Sinclabs Amateur Products
- Division. Preamps on 432 and 1296 were made by WD5AGO. Operators: VE2DFO,
- VE3ASO, VE3BFM, VE3CRU, VE3DSS, VE3EMS, VE3KDH, VE3VD, and W9IP.
-
- Conditions the first weekend were fair, deteriorating after 1700 UTC
- on Sunday. The second weekend, aurora-induced absorption was very bad.
- QSB made copying weak 432 MHz stations difficult. 23 cm echos were
- extremely loud; we could hear our own echos with << 1 watt output.
- However, activity declined to nearly zero after European moonset. We
- also listened extensively for the Mars Observer with no result, even
- using AF9Y's extraordinary DSP software.
-
- Equipment worked flawlessly the first weekend. During the second week-
- end, we had some equipment troubles at about 0900-1100 UTC on 432; at 0400
- local time Saturday morning, VE3CRU and had W9IP the pleasure of going up
- in the 90' cherry-picker in wind and snow to fix the 432 MHz amplifier.
-
- A large number of EME stations insisted on duplicate QSOs, sometimes
- 3 or 4 dupes (!). Needless to say, this cut into our ability to work
- other stations even once.
-
- Please QSL to VE3ONT (1993 callbook address ONLY) or to VE3ASO, Dennis
- Mungham, R.R. 3, Mountain, Ontario K0E 1S0. Color photo-QSLs are being
- printed; expect a few weeks delay.
-
- Michael Owen W9IP (tired but happy)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 08 Nov 93 06:11:06 GMT
- From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!mstar!n8emr!bulletin@ames.arpa
- Subject: VK2SG RTTY DX Notes, 5 November
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- ==============================================================
- | Automatic relayed from packet radio via |
- | N8EMR's Ham BBS, 614-895-2553 |
- ==============================================================
-
- SB DX @ ALLBBS $RTDX1105
- VK2SG RTTY DX Notes, 5 November
- VK2SG RTTY DX Notes for week ending 5 November 1993 (BID RTDX1105)
-
- Looking at the reports being received, indications are that the bands
- are going through a change. Solar flux has been quite low and the
- forecasts are giving flux below 90 for several days. As result of
- this situation together with the CQWW SSB Contest of last week, we had
- general poor activity on RTTY.
-
- Our information this week came from ZS5S, 9X5LJ, W2JGR, WB2CJL,
- WA1MPB, I5ICY, I5IGQ, IK1HSR, F8XT, SP5AA and NJ0M node of the Twin
- Cities DX PacketCluster. Thank you all for the contribution.
-
-
- Bandpass:
-
- Friday 29
- 0728-14087 9H1ET
- 0732-14083 UN7LR
- 1158-14083 HP1XPM
- 1809-21085 CU1AC QSL to W2FXA
- 2031-14084 ZS4KK/ZS9 QSL to ZS4NS
- 2034-14081 NL7VX
- 2036-14085 T46RR Special PFX for CQWW
- 2110-14090 FM5GN
-
- Saturday 30
- 0744-14081 P29BT
- 0828-21073 J28BM ARQ
- 0830-14087 OM3CPS
- 0831-14087 YL2KF
- 0957-21086 CU1AC
- 1030-21084 ed2fcs
- 1414-21081 TR8MD QSL F6FNU
- 1446-14087 EA6MQ
- 1548-14085 GW0KYT
-
- Sunday 31
- 1341-21089 UT5RP
- 1557-21085 GI3KVD
- 1613-21085 EA6VS
- 1624-21086 IS0CDS
- 1629-28084 CX6AT
- 1758-21082 5N/DF8QB
-
- Monday 1
- 0717-14085 YL2FZ
- 1403-21082 OM2CPS
- 1403-14084 UN5PR
- 1423-14085 UJ8JCQ
- 1535-21086 CU1AC
- 1640-21084 HJ6SQQ
- 2340-14087 5N/DF8QB QSL Home CBA
-
- Tuesday 2
- 0032-14087 5N/DF8QB
- 0038-14087 5R8DG
- 1118-14085 9H1ET
- 1329-14083 LY1DD
- 1430-14093 OH4BB
- 1716-21089 EA6QK
- 2224-14089 HK0DPA QSL Box 0890, San Andres I., Colombia
- 2236-14089 HC6IM
- 2301-14085 J88BS
- 2305-14089 XE1/JA1QXY
- 2326-14086 CO6RR
-
- Wednesday 3
- 0623-14083 RW3PF
- 1510-14082 EA6PZ
- 1627-14086 LY1DD
- 1722-14086 FR5GS
- 1817-14085 ET3SID
- 1835-14086 RT4UA
-
- Thursday 4
- 0835-14084 UW9CC
- 1411-14086 CN8BX ARQ
- 1415-14073 9K2KA ARQ
-
-
- Notes of Interest
-
- WAE CONTEST. I remind you this contest sponsored by Deutscher ARC
- (Germany) which will take place from 1200 UTC Saturday 13 to 2400 UTC
- Sunday 14 November (36 hours). For details see the RTTY Journal pg 7
- Sept. 93 issue.
-
- RTTY Honor Roll. DXAC is bringing up a vote to recognize the
- achievement of the RTTY DXCC status with endorsements. More info next
- week.
-
- CROZET, FT4. It is reported from Jean, F8XT that Christian FT4WD will
- be leaving this week.
-
- Gilberto, IK1HSR informs that IK3HHX is no more QSL manager for RJ7JYZ
- since April '93. Furthermore he is at disposal for those DX that need
- a manager, including QSLs printing capability.
-
- Send your bandpass and notes for next week to Bob,
- WB2CJL @ W5KSI.#NOLA.LA.USA.NA or WB2CJL @ ZS5S.ZAF.AF or
- WB2CJL @ I5FLN.ITA.EU.
-
- GL de (DX2) Luciano, I5FLN @ ZS5S.ZAF.AF
- /EX
- SP KT7H @ N7DUO.WA.USA.NA
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 08 Nov 93 07:30:50 GMT
- From: math.fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!server2.rz.uni-leipzig.de!news.uni-jena.de!news.tu-ilmenau.de!systemtechnik.tu-ilmenau.de!tom@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: WW DX Fone 93 QSL info: Summary
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- S U M M A R Y
-
-
- This is a list of stations heared in ww dx fone 1993
- and their qsl info if listened.
-
- Thanks for supplements to Jim AD1C, VE5VA, Pete OH3MEP !!!
-
- call info/mngr
- ------------------------------------------
- 4N1T
- 4U1ITU IK3STG
- 5B4YX G0KKT
- 5Z4BI W4FRU
- 7Q7XX JH3RRA
- 8R1K Fone: OH1VL, (op was 0h6do), CW will via OH0XX/W4 (op will be oh0xx)
- 9H1EL LA2TO
- 9K2JC direct
- 9K2ZZ W8CNL
- 9Y4VU W3EVW
- A22MN WA8JOC
- AH9B/VO2 Oklahoma DX Ass.
- C6AFT KD7E
- CH9DH VE1DH
- CH9NH VE1NH
- CN2JF WA0RJY(CBA93)
- CQ8N
- CR3R HB9CRV
- CX0CW LU8DPM
- EA8AH
- EA9UK EA9LZ(CBA)
- ER0F LY1FF
- FJ5AB direct
- HC0E HC1QRC
- HC1OT W2KF
- HS0AC HS1ASJ
- HS1BV W3HCW
- HT1T SM0KCR
- HZ1AB K8PYD
- IG8R I0RIZ
- IQ3A
- IU0A
- IU2X
- J73WA KC4DWI
- LT5H
- N6VI/KH6
- OH0M OH1NOA
- OI5AY OH5LLR
- OK5W OK1AEZ
- OT3A ON7LR
- P29DX direct
- P40W N2MM
- P43A P43ARC
- P49T K4PI
- PJ9M OH6RM
- PJ9U OH1VR or OH3MMM (both routes ok)
- S58WW YU3HP
- SU2MT CBA
- TG0AA Box115,Guatemala City
- TM6B
- TU5DX F6ELE
- US7I NA3O
- V26B WT3Q
- V26N KW8N
- V31DX KA6V
- V47KP K2DOX
- V47NS W9NSZ
- VK9LI N6AA
- VP2EC N5AU
- VP2EJ N6ZJM
- VP2VFP AB4JI
- VP5L K4UTE
- VP5N N2VW
- VR6ME Box24,Pitcairn Isl.,via Auckland,N.Z.
- XA5T XE2KB
- XU7VK HA0HW
- YS1X W3HNK
- Z30M YU5GBC
- Z32KV YU5FCA (CBA) Mazedonia=ex YU
- ZA/OK2PSZ
- ZA1B HB9BGN
- ZB2X OH2KI
- ZF2JI KG6AR
- ZP0Y ZP5JCY or LU8DPM
- ZP80A ZP8HSS
- ZW0JR PP5JR
- ZW5B PY5EG
- ZX0F PY5EG
- ------------------------------------------
-
- dl5atp, Thomas
-
-
- --
- Thomas Planke Planke@Systemtechnik.TU-Ilmenau.DE
- Technical University of Ilmenau Phone: +49 3677/69-1465
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 8 Nov 93 17:25:04 GMT
- From: ogicse!uwm.edu!msuinfo!pepper!cravitma@network.ucsd.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <2beerb$2m1@jericho.mc.com>, <CG1I45.L2D@boi.hp.com>, <CG6JDz.C5v@apollo.hp.com>
- Subject : Re: Radio Shack HTs
-
- In article <CG6JDz.C5v@apollo.hp.com> scofield@apollo.HP.COM () writes:
- >Possible stupid question: who makes the HTX-202?
-
- I have been told that it is made by Icom, but this was by an R.S.
- salesdroid, so I could be wrong.
-
- /MC
-
-
-
-
- --
- Matthew Cravit | "So I sent him to ask of the
- Michigan State University | owl, if he's there, how to
- East Lansing, MI 48825 | loosen a jar from the nose
- E-Mail: cravitma@cps.msu.edu | of a bear..."
-
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- The recent policy change at Radio Shack to begin charging for the catalogs
- has caused quite a bit of resentment. I resented it when I had to pay for
- the catalog I use as a sales tool (I work there part-time). However, the
- reality is that we have been paying for the catalogs all along. The
- catalogs are expensive to produce and the cost of their production had been
- part of the cost of the products. Not only did we pay for our own catalogs,
- but the tens or hundreds of thousands of catalogs that were taken from the
- stores by folks that took them just because they were free. Junk mail and
- other "Free" advertising seems to have a very short persistance in most
- folks homes, often landing in the trash the same day it's received.
-
- Imagine you worked for a company that published a free catalog. Imagine
- that 100,000 of those $3 catalogs were discarded within a week. That's
- $300,000 ... a third of a million dollars that is spent on providing
- substance for landfills. Given the recent economic climate where every
- expenditure is evaluated for it's return on investment would you feel
- that free catalogs were a valuable and cost efficient way to use your
- companies advertising resources?
-
- Although it's a pretty tough policy, I think the company did the right
- thing, albeit an unpopular thing.
-
- Charging for the catalogs reduces the number of catalogs that end
- up in landfills a week later. (Why does a boogery faced 7 year old
- need a free catalog and why do all his brothers and sisters need their
- own catalogs?)
-
- Offering discount coupons that more than offset the price of the
- catalog make them an easier sale. (The people that want one and
- will use one will pay for the catalog, realizing that the cost will
- be offset with their first purchase.)
-
- In the end, fewer catalogs are taken and those that are taken are taken
- by folks that will keep them on their bookshelves longer. The cost of
- publishing catalogs is still covered by the company through the discount
- coupons, but the total cost is MUCH lower.
-
- Anyhow, that's two cents worth from someone on the other side of the
- counter.
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- Val Breault - N8OEF - vbreault@gmr.com \ /|
- Instrumentation dept GM NAO R&D Center \ / |
- My opinions are not necessarily those of \ /__|
- GMR nor of the General Motors Corporation \/ |___
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- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 15:37:10 GMT
- From: sdd.hp.com!apollo.hp.com!netnews@decwrl.dec.com
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <931105.56411.GREGL@delphi.com>, <2beerb$2m1@jericho.mc.com>, <CG1I45.L2D@boi.hp.com>
- Subject : Re: Radio Shack HTs
-
- Possible stupid question: who makes the HTX-202?
-
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